Free Friday: A Group of Apprehension, First Team Pathways and Perceived Strengths and Weaknesses

Free Friday: A Group of Apprehension, First Team Pathways and Perceived Strengths and Weaknesses
August 30, 2018 Daniel Rhodes
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1 – Andrew’s post-match appraisal after Brighton:

Clearly not the best nor most exciting win we’ll have this season. But I’d like to trot out the old “champion teams win when they don’t play well” cliche, not because I think it’s correct in its in own right, but because it points to something that I think is correct. ‘Playing well’ often implies the fluid movement of the ball and the creation of chances. Much less often does “playing well” relate to the way a team defends, particularly when the analysed team is playing against a lesser-rated side – the better team is not expected to defend, so defending well is not really taken into account.  However, every team has off days, and there are many days when a lesser-rated opposition both have a good day and are actually a stronger underlying side than people give them credit for. It is the days when these things happen that expectations need to be flipped, and the better side should be lauded for defending well. And I think that this lies at the heart of the “champion sides win when they don’t play well” platitude without acknowledging it directly – champion sides have strong defences. And today we saw a little bit more evidence of what we’ve all been starting to believe over the last 6 months – Liverpool have a strong defence.

Liverpool also had a bad day. And I think Brighton are a better side than people give them credit for, and they had a reasonably good day, and really contributed to our bad day. Their structures were spot on. The five across midfield allowed them to keep the centre packed with players while also providing cover on the wings. The space that Palace afforded TAA was non-existent, as Knockaert tracked back to help out his LB and the same on the other side. In fact, the wide midfielders got back so often that it turned into a back six a lot of the time, allowing the back four to remain tight and leave very little space for our front 3-4 to work in. When the ball came into our midfield, their midfield five then did a great jobs of squeezing the spaces, and there were not too many occasions when we found a ball into Firmino, Salah or Mane in the pocket. I also think Murray is a very clever footballer and absolutely worked his socks off going both ways. He was constantly cutting down the angle for our CBs to play the ball into the midfield, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the passing map showing Gomez<->VVD as the main passing channel, closely followed by those two to their respective full backs. And I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Milner’s heat map showing him collecting the ball in our half out in the right half-space more often than not, rather than through the centre in their half as he would have liked. They simply didn’t allow us to be in the areas we wanted to be, most of the time.

Regarding the ref, I have to say that I respectfully disagree with the claims that he was a joke and that he missed multiple clear penalties for us. I thought he was acceptable. I think the tackle on Milner could have easily been a red – that was perhaps the most clear error he made, and even that felt like it could have gone either way. The handball looked a penalty, but it was close enough to the crosser that it could have been viewed us unintentional. There have certainly been many worse not given (and not just for us!). Mat Ryan colliding with Firmino was absolutely not a penalty – Bobby clearly backed into him, and it was a foul on Ryan in the same way it would be if a centre forward backed into a defender with no intention of competing for the ball. And aside from these decisions, I thought he was fine.

Gomez was excellent again. He was given more responsibility in dealing with their front man, and he did so well against the wily Murray. As someone commented on the match thread, he and TAA teamed up very well to defeat Murray on several occasions down our right. He also carries the ball really well when in possession, using his pace to move into more advanced areas to either get out of an awkward situation, or try to create a better angle for a progressive pass. Lovren has been confirmed out until after the international break, and if Gomez gets the start against Tottenham at that stage and acquits himself well (thus proving himself against one of the best forward lines in England), it will be the end of that particular conversation.

Alisson had some hairy moments today, but, as many have pointed out, that’s the way he plays. Two things struck me today about him. First, his confidence does not get shaken by mistakes – he continued to play the same way after each of those hairy moment. Second, he varies his game greatly, depending on the situation of both the moment and the game. Several times today he had plenty of time to take a few touches and find an easy ground pass, but he chose to take one or no touches before attempting to pick out a long ball. It feels as though he actually looks for this aggressive long ball first, then if its not on he uses the ground ball as a secondary, and finally he hoofs it if he feels neither is on (which he did once or twice today). Given we love to counter quickly, and often find it difficult to create space against these lower block teams, I think this strategy is so great to have. He also made an excellent save at the end – what all around potential he has!

Finally, I just wanted to mention the subs. Far be it from me to question Klopp in any regard, but I felt we could have used some extra pep (not the Man City kind, although that may have helped too) early in the second half. As others mentioned here and on the match thread, we looked really laboured, and I can’t help but feel it was a situation made for Shaqiri to come on and disrupt. Mane was clearly having an off day, and I think Shaqiri has the skillset that we needed – tight dribbling skills and excellent vision – to find a way through a resolute defence. On top of that, he is fresh, and he looks incredibly hungry to play at the minute. I love that Klopp ensures his players feel fully supported and doesn’t like to take them off mid way (or even two thirds of the way) through a game, but this one felt it really need a new element to get us going.

For all that critical analysis, we’ve had as close as you can really get to a perfect start to the season. Wins, goals and clean sheets coming thick and fast. Young players growing, older players getting somehow younger, new players slotting in, and reformed players chomping at the bit to have their chance. It really is a pleasure to be a Red right now!

2 – Madchenkliop responding to Martin McL’s point about Liverpool’s opposition being half-hearted in trying to attack any perceived weakness for fear of another perceived strength elsewhere:

I think that’s a great point about perceived weaknesses. There are probably still a few sterner tests for the younger players, but ironically I think in the case of Gomez and TAA they have become stronger as a partnership by having a great understanding courtesy of their parallel development and anticipation of tactics aimed at them specifically. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have developed their own in match lingo to alert each other to threats. I could still see Lovren’s experience in big games being useful to the team and it could also be interesting seeing how Matip responds to such serious competition, but the calmness and communication between the back 5 even 6, right now seems superbly functional.

What I found interesting about the Brighton game was, the failed Gomez experiment apart, they seemed entirely focused on their own shape and discipline and it did nearly pay off for them. They nearly out-disciplined us. Boring and frustrating us into submission is obviously not a new thing, with bus parking teams having a long record of joy against us, and as Klopp said post match, there’s a lot of work to do. We have to find the right balance between vigilance/ passivity and proactivity/confidence.

That we didn’t submit is also a turning point and I think Allison’s gregarious character is really important to that. With both Karius and Mignolet you could almost see the massive effort they put into maintaining concentration to the point they put themselves off and certainly could generate nervousness throughout the team. Allison’s style of play has  a bit of joie de vivre and ebullience about it that has the multiple effects of inspiring enterprise and scaring his teammates into hyperdrive, but also luring the opposition into attacking and laying themselves open to counter attack.

The one area of weakness that I’ve noticed has been Keita is perhaps a bit error prone. I think he’s done countless brilliant things already and it’s completely to be expected as he adjusts to a new team, but Brighton, by virtue of their persistence, were able to pounce on the odd lapse. To some extent the task for Klopp will be the tactical tweaking and occasional change of personnel to counter the opposition’s attempt’s to nullify our flamboyance, but to be fair he’s doing a fantastic job of introducing the new players. Whatever he says about being disappointed in some of our attacking play after matches, he’s has the emphasis at this early stage of the season solidly on maintaining concentration so the new players can learn the ropes, the patterns of play.  He is showing masterful managerial skill with not overloading new ideas and changes. I thought what we saw on Saturday, with Keita especially, was a great example of progress not being linear, but it was happening nevertheless.

3 – Mark Cohen feels Liverpool’s opening three games are the result of a process:

So there is definitely something that has got lost in the narrative a bit so far this season.

We all know (media all too well) that we have spent money and spent it brilliantly this off season, and a cursory view of every single pundits top four picks reflected Liverpool’s expected performance levels where not one, not one excluded us from a Champions League finish come May.

This seminal change in expectations for Liverpool has had a knock on effect this early season though – we have been expected to be firing at 100% in attack and defence from the start, but this not only unrealistic, it’s also very unlikely to have been a focus for Klopp.

Klopp likes to, and he has said this many times, use preseason to ‘lay down a base for fitness’ and in the same vein these first few weeks of the season would have seen the focus on systems, patterns and fitness, hence the rather surprising same team named three times already.

In other words, rather more attention has been given onto our slightly nervy and disjointed performances than would be expected or useful at this time.

Klopp’s goal for the first four games prior to the international break, would have been to win them all, look right at the back, have ever improving fitness levels, and successfully bed in Alisson and Keita, the latter especially effecting our attacking efficacy as the season develops because he carries the ball forward, meaning opposition midfield are forced to engage, resulting in inevitable spaces elsewhere.

Klopp would not have been expecting ultra fluid football, as I believe that will only start once we reach the second international break and this very tough run of away games ends as well as he plateauing of our fitness levels and thus our pressing system.

Also, the beginning of any season generally means a greater amount of defensive focus for the lesser lights of the league as their ‘marker’ for the season will generally be based on defensive sturdiness thus precipitating a greater focus on block defending at the beginning (Palace and Brighton both really solid defensively, where their attentions will shift in a few weeks to a more open view)

The main focus for the beginning patch of games in any season under Klopp is to make sure the squad is mentally ready and physically able to play at the speed we need and with the concentration Klopp’s system demands. Yes, we want to win the games at the beginning, but that is, in fact, just a bonus at this time. Had we have won two and drawn one like City, it would have been a good start anyway, so I suppose the important thing points-wise is to be good enough and lucky enough that you get them all…

Of course, in our collective minds, that City dropped Just 14 points all term last year has also helped push this narrative that we have to be winning from day one, every game to stand a chance.

This may be true, but it probably isn’t.

If one takes a look at the xG charts thus far, and I realise it is early, you will note we are best in the attacking metric, so expected to score the most, and best in the defensive metric, so expected to concede the least.

We have won all three without conceding so are matching the numbers with the actual individual performances needed to produce the goals or save them.

This is brilliant. A brilliant start, and if we can go up a little notch on Saturday, we have a good chance at hitting our fourth on the bounce. That will have set down the very best marker possible for this long season, and the expected challenge we will lay down to City.

In short – you cannot get a better start than this, and if we are looking this solid now, the league needs to be very worried for when we hit our straps in four or five weeks time.

4 – Madchenkliop discussing the question of whether there’s a future at the club for those in their 20s out on loan:

I’m very interested in this question. You could also add a few more like Wilson and Ejaria to the list.  In fact, although I’d say Grujic is ahead of Ejaria, the way the latters loan is going at Rangers I wouldn’t be surprised if he overtakes Grujic at some point. It’s obviously a lesser league but Ejaria is becoming battle hardened and with his skillset that could make him a complete player.

Still, the point for me – and I like Espandole’s comment on Klopp having a flexible mind on this matter – is that just because most of the big clubs have failed and are failing to get the most out of their huge resources in terms of youth players, that doesn’t mean there isn’t a lot of untapped value still to be released. The trouble is you can only have eleven in a team and the benefits of continuity still tend to outweigh those of rotation, but isn’t that because nobody has figured out how to get more out of backup players potential?…. yet! The simple truth is that if Klopp can figure a way to get Grujic into the team he will use him.  JK knows more than anyone that players can be developed and I think it must be counter-intuitive for him to release a player whose potential he still believes in. I think it must be hard for him and the sheer size of the operation at LFC may be putting him in unprecedented territory. At the moment, the bottom line seems to be that each and every player is developing as opposed to stagnating. As to whether that benefits LFC or not, other than financiallly, that is harder to say.

It boils down to having a transparent plan for each season and ensuring that each player is on board with it. That’s the crucial thing. Anything else is up in the air.  Grujic will know that there’s no guarantee that he’ll get a place on the bench as first choice backup next season, but I 100% believe that Klopp’s word to him, that, if he works hard at Berlin, his chances to do that are high. It will depend on a number of things – Milner moving on or finally melting, Hendorson’s (and Lallana’s) form and fitness issues, whether Fabinho proves a hit or miss and whether Wijnaldum continues to cement his role as the new Lucas. I think there’s a good chance that one of those five, possibly even two will move on – probably Milner and Lallana. I also have a sneaking feeling that Grujic might thrive in the Bundesliga.

I think it’s likely in this case that ‘the pathway to the first team’ will prove possible. It is after all, incredibly important to the players on LFC’s books that the club’s reputation does what it says on the tin or they will get fucked off and fuck off; (Brewster, Woodburn, Wilson, etc.) It’s very easy to get disillusioned with the loan scene, but if it’s going to work at all, then everyone needs to stay open minded. Of course when it works it will be an exception to the rule, but especially with Klopp, who is such a long term strategic thinker, there’s good reason to believe there is a proper commitment there.

As for Ojo, I think he didn’t do enough in preseason to turn things round and they will sell him if they get a chance or loan will indeed mean in his case that his future doesn’t lie at Anfield. It’s not the end of the world though. He’s a good player and could well be some other team’s gain. I’m still slightly concerned that we haven’t seen the last of Ibe at Bournmouth!

One last thing that I mentioned on the youth thread; with the whole club moving to Kirby from Melwood, I think there is going to be considerable improvement in the level of competition and innovation in terms of developing players. Reaching the required level will obviously never be possible without match experience, but I think they might end up getting a lot closer. The club and football in general are clearly doing everything they can to try and gain an edge by player development and who knows where it will end up?

5 – Tony McKenna on our Champions League group stage draw:

Well my own take is to say that we went into this draw as CL Runners Up 2018 so, I will first consider how PSG, Napoli and Red Star, will view it: respectfully apprehensive indeed.

From my own perspective, I did not really worry as to who we would get. Our team is now gearing up, heading in the right direction, looking to be placed amongst both England’s and Europe’s elite. There is a whole slew of TTT articles, over the past few months, that have provided a very extensive evidence base for this belief. That’s rationale. Not emotion. On that basis, I am prepared to take all comers. I have no fear. Aspiring to greatness implies taking on all the greats.

Has any other set of fans, from all those groups, been able to say that they have seen their team progress as much as Liverpool in the same timescale? A big ask, I surmise. But we are now even more improved since that CL final in May. Particularly in the goal keeping department and with a weapon to unleash such as Keita.

Must say, I rather think Spurs supporters will be a little crushed and United too. Old boy Ronaldo will be back in town and it will be good to return that comment Neville made, when he said it would be nice for an old friend to score against us in the CL final. We will all be rooting for your old friend, Gaz, as soon as he graces OT again.

Articles published on The Tomkins Times since last Friday:

Sunday August 26th:

“Terrible” Liverpool Top of the League, by Paul Tomkins.

Post-Match Analysis: Brighton & Hove Albion (H) , by Daniel Rhodes.

Monday August 27th:

My Day at the Match – Brighton (H), August 25th 2018, by Shanks Choudhry.

Tuesday August 28th:

TTT Player of the Month for August 2018: Naby Keita, by Andrew Beasley.

Wednesday August 29th:

Around the World in xG Data: How Do Liverpool Compare Against 350 Teams Across 21 Leagues?, by Daniel Rhodes.

Thursday August 30th:

Evidence that Liverpool are now exceptional by Paul Tomkins.

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